View Full Version : Warcraft lore
http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/images/statusicon/post_new.gif (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/misc.php?ccbloc=9901) [25-10, 11:31] Myca (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/member.php?u=17) I will make a topic about it
http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/images/statusicon/post_new.gif (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/misc.php?ccbloc=9900) [25-10, 11:30] Myca (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/member.php?u=17) I like the books of Christie the most
http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/images/statusicon/post_new.gif (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/misc.php?ccbloc=9899) [25-10, 11:30] Myca (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/member.php?u=17) the writers are award winning writers (christie golden & richard knaak by example)
http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/images/statusicon/post_new.gif (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/misc.php?ccbloc=9898) [25-10, 11:30] Myca (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/member.php?u=17) they are all written in cooperation of Chris Metzen (the main wow lore guy) and are all under strict supervision
http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/images/statusicon/post_new.gif (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/misc.php?ccbloc=9897) [25-10, 11:29] Myca (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/member.php?u=17) VERY well written
http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/images/statusicon/post_new.gif (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/misc.php?ccbloc=9896) [25-10, 10:56] Pizza (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/member.php?u=346) how are the WoW books?? Well written?
http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/images/statusicon/post_new.gif (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/misc.php?ccbloc=9895) [25-10, 10:44] Myca (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/member.php?u=17) it connects all from northrend to cata :D
http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/images/statusicon/post_new.gif (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/misc.php?ccbloc=9894) [25-10, 10:43] Myca (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/member.php?u=17) aaah really anxious to read it
http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/images/statusicon/post_old.gif (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/misc.php?ccbloc=9893) [25-10, 10:34] Myca (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/member.php?u=17) its a novel that describes lore changes which lead upon cataclysm
http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/images/statusicon/post_old.gif (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/misc.php?ccbloc=9892) [25-10, 10:34] Myca (http://awakenings-guild.net/forum/member.php?u=17) ordered this book: http://www.bol.com/nl/p/engelse-boek...766/index.html (http://www.bol.com/nl/p/engelse-boeken/world-of-warcraft/1001004008186766/index.html)
I ordered this book:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5133QTFBW3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
Its a prequel what leads upon the cataclysm. Startin at the events at Northrend.
I made this topic for people interested in the lore. If you dont care about it, fine... but dont ruin the thread. :)
I have these books in my posession:
Day of the Dragon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft:_Day_of_the_Dragon)
The last Guardian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft:_The_Last_Guardian)
Rise of the Horde (http://www.wowwiki.com/Rise_of_the_Horde)
A book about what happened on Draenor (a must read for TBC :))
Tides of Darkness (http://www.wowwiki.com/Tides_of_Darkness)
War of the Ancients Trilogy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft:_War_of_the_Ancients_Trilogy)
Epic books about the sundering. :)
Lord of the Clans (http://www.wowwiki.com/Lord_of_the_Clans)
Awesome book about Thrall being from slave to the new warchief.
Of Blood and Honor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft:_Of_Blood_and_Honor)
This books was nice, but allready knew the lore.
Arthas: Rise of the lich king (http://www.wowwiki.com/Arthas:_Rise_of_the_Lich_King)
Epic read on Arthas.... how it came to be.
Ordered:
- Stormrage
A book about Malfurion Stormrage and what happened in the Emerald dream
- The shattering
About the gap between Northrend en Cataclysm. (it will awnser alot of questions you might have later upon cata.
More info about the official warcraft books:
http://eu.blizzard.com/store/browse.xml?f=c:4,c:17,f:1#p1
bikkeltje
25-10-2010, 11:00
I have these books in my posession:
Day of the Dragon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft:_Day_of_the_Dragon)
The last Guardian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft:_The_Last_Guardian)
Rise of the Horde (http://www.wowwiki.com/Rise_of_the_Horde)
A book about what happened on Draenor (a must read for TBC :))
Tides of Darkness (http://www.wowwiki.com/Tides_of_Darkness)
War of the Ancients Trilogy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft:_War_of_the_Ancients_Trilogy)
Epic books about the sundering. :)
Lord of the Clans (http://www.wowwiki.com/Lord_of_the_Clans)
Awesome book about Thrall being from slave to the new warchief.
Of Blood and Honor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft:_Of_Blood_and_Honor)
This books was nice, but allready knew the lore.
Arthas: Rise of the lich king (http://www.wowwiki.com/Arthas:_Rise_of_the_Lich_King)
Epic read on Arthas.... how it came to be.
nerd_alert on!
I am already buzy with the sword of truth, second volume (1070 pages or something!!!! like the 1st one ffs).... is not bad.
Zamiatator
25-10-2010, 11:14
I own majority of these books as well. However I don't quite like Golden's style. Knaak is way ahead imo. Gotta buy the new one as soon as it's released in Poland. I've read all of the books on Diablo saga too. They suit my taste more than Warcraft ones. They're dark :) Same pair of authors though.
bikkeltje
25-10-2010, 12:17
I am already buzy with the sword of truth, second volume (1070 pages or something!!!! like the 1st one ffs).... is not bad.
I own majority of these books as well. .
nerd_alert on!
omg its a epadamic
Well if reading fantasy genre books is nerdish, i am a nerd 100%.
I read everything tbh, but fantasy, horror (mainly Lovecraft/Stephen King), and sci-fi genres (Dune is one of the best books i've ever read in my life) are my favourites.
In those books you really c how much an author is good becouse he must create a belieavable environment for the reader, otherwise it won't work.
Is like a sport journalilst who writes about football: he must be damned good to fulfill pages even in the summertime :D.
Lolore Extravanganca!
Hahahaha!
Eagleseye
26-10-2010, 08:04
Lolore Extravanganca!
Lol :)))
Lol :)))
Do you even know what he meant?
Sorry for this pathetic hyjack, but Lolore Extravaganca was the Lotro guild (kinship) where naabs like Chorizo/Proh/me and some other nubberts where in. Just to piss the rollplayers there. So far the interesting background story. Gasp.
Eagleseye
26-10-2010, 11:10
Do you even know what he meant?
no way, but anyways it sounds something funny :)
Did you know what he meant - Before he posted what it means?
Yes. And if I would not I wouldnt have laughed. Because how can you laugh about something you dont understand.
You just said lol to be a follower, which is pretty normal for 13 year olds.
Eagleseye
26-10-2010, 11:36
Yes. And if I would not I wouldnt have laughed. Because how can you laugh about something you dont understand.
You just said lol to be a follower, which is pretty normal for 13 year olds.
Well w/e, imo it sounded something funny and also maybe that "to be a follower" is one reason why i said lol :) anywayss im level 14 not 13 years old
bikkeltje
26-10-2010, 13:33
Lolore Extravanganca!
i see..
lol
lore
extravanganca
so he could have meaned lol what a stupid lore extravanganca, thats what i maid of it, and loled a bit to tbh, so myca dont be a douce and leave the little dude alone.....
Meh, Im teaching him to have an own opinion, etc....
He will thank me later.
i see..
lol
lore
extravanganca
so he could have meaned lol what a stupid lore extravanganca, thats what i maid of it, and loled a bit to tbh, so myca dont be a douce and leave the little dude alone.....
I thought the same!!!
so myca dont be a douce
gna :D
Myca,
Make a list please from the first book to the last book. I have read the first but i missed a couple. Need to fill in the blank spots.
You mean all books? Or just the ones I have in chronological sorted.
Sloperknight
28-10-2010, 22:08
I am already buzy with the sword of truth, second volume (1070 pages or something!!!! like the 1st one ffs).... is not bad.
Lol.. read all 11 volumes allready.. imba serie your reading there..
and no.. no spoilers.
Lol.. read all 11 volumes allready.. imba serie your reading there..
and no.. no spoilers.
If i don't rememb wrong Feday told me just the first two books are good, while the others are not.
@Noe: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/timeline.html <-- official (but outdated) time line with free e-reads from Blizzard
War of the Ancients (around 10.000 years before the WoW)
The Well of Eternity
The Demon Soul
The Sundering
Before the First War
Rise of the Horde (pre-first war, life of the orcs on Draenor)
First War
The Last Guardian (Warcraft 1)
Second War
Tides of Darkness (Warcraft 2)
Post second war / pre third war:
Beyond the Dark Portal (Warcraft 2 exp, right after Second war)
Day of the Dragon (pre 3th war)
Lord of the Clans (pre 3th war)
Of Blood and Honor (pre 3th war)
Third War
Arthas: Rise of the Lich King (Warcraft 3 -> wow)
Cycle of Hatred (Right before World of Warcraft)
The Sunwell Trilogy (Volume 1): Dragon Hunt (Right before World of Warcraft, Manga)
The Sunwell Trilogy (Volume 2): Shadows of Ice (Right before World of Warcraft, Manga)
The Sunwell Trilogy (Volume 3): Ghostlands (Right before World of Warcraft, Manga)
World of Warcraft: Night of the Dragon (post bc)
Cata
The shattering
Stormrage
(which are REALLY things you should read before buying cata)
Others:
Warcraft Legends
-Volume One
-Volume Two
-Volume Three
-Volume Four
http://www.bol.com/nl/p/engelse-boeken/the-warcraft-archive/1001004002939295/index.html#product_overview
This books contains all 4 stories for the fastest catchup in lore.
If i don't rememb wrong Feday told me just the first two books are good, while the others are not.
You remembered wrong .... Actually the first three and last three books are the best ... the ones in between are ok. In any case a great read to complete!
I respectfully disagree.
"Soul of the fire" is a total mess. What the fuck is he going on about with his Three Chimes ? They seem to be the pure shameless form of a Macguffin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin). At no point in the book forms the storyline anything resembling a coherent whole, just more whining about how Richard and Kahlan are always apart and more torturing and raping - arguably a good thing, at least no so boring as anything related to how fucking awesome Richard is.
"Faith of the fallen" is just about the worst book I've read in the past 10 years, disregarding the ones I just put away. He basically is a Ayn Rand fanboy, and wrote a book mixing her Objectivism theory and some rightwing ranting. It made me physically cringe at times how blatant he was preaching socialism bashing.
And don't get me started about the deus ex machina used in virtually every part of the series, even the first ones. Basically : things get fucked up, and in the last chapters Richard learns some awesome new ability which makes things right again. Repeat ad nauseautum.
In short : I would not call them "ok" :D
Aah, feels good to rant a bit. First 2-3 books are still ok reads though, don't get me wrong :) There's infinitely more boring fantasy dreck out there.
If anything, the sword of truth books are probably leagues better then those wow cash-in books. No good has ever come of books getting written awkwardly around game 'plots'.
http://kindalame.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/trollface.gif
Depends upon ones personal taste.
If anything, the sword of truth books are probably leagues better then those wow cash-in books. No good has ever come of books getting written awkwardly around game 'plots'.
Hehe so true, since those 1/2 minded Dungeons & Dragons stories out the 80ies. I love Gary Gygax for making those RP games, but he NEVR EVER SHOULD have been allowed to write, let alone publish that what resembles the looks of a book. It took me lots of theraphy to recover from that. Thats the good thing bout him being dead, so this accident can no accure a 7th time.
I respectfully disagree.
You may
"Soul of the fire" is a total mess. What the fuck is he going on about with his Three Chimes ? They seem to be the pure shameless form of a Macguffin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin). At no point in the book forms the storyline anything resembling a coherent whole, just more whining about how Richard and Kahlan are always apart and more torturing and raping - arguably a good thing, at least no so boring as anything related to how fucking awesome Richard is.
Well the chimes may indeed be a form of a Macguffin. Though they do get referenced a lot in the sequels and they have a very large impact on (and shape) the world and things to happen. In fact (watch it for possible spoinler!!!!! - the chimes are responsible for the corruption of the chainfire spell ... the key component of the (also by you) celebrated last three books). So in the long run I don't know for sure if Macguffin is in order but even if it is so what? There are loads of cool movies and directors that make use of this principle.
I can understand that switching storylines and characters is a difficult concept for some readers and in many such stories those lines come together near the end of a story making things fall into place ... those that can't handle it always have "Nijntje" to read.
"Sould of Fire" is actually one of the few books where Khalan and Richard are together for pretty much the whole story.
"Faith of the fallen" is just about the worst book I've read in the past 10 years, disregarding the ones I just put away. He basically is a Ayn Rand fanboy, and wrote a book mixing her Objectivism theory and some rightwing ranting. It made me physically cringe at times how blatant he was preaching socialism bashing.
Of course your opinion .... though I do suggest you start reading some more the comming 10 years :). You do realize that this is fiction and not literature?
I can imagine the annoyance on the part of preaching socialism bashing... it was one of my greatest annoyances. A 50's american writer wouldn't be able to propagate anti communism better then Goodkind does.
I am not sure about the Ayn Rand reference you make. Quoting wiki does not make you cool! :) (I quote from wiki: Goodkind has been largely influenced by the books of Ayn Rand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand) and is a strong supporter of her works and of Objectivist philosophy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivist_philosophy)) - don't blame him for not being original if you yourself won't either!
And don't get me started about the deus ex machina used in virtually every part of the series, even the first ones. Basically : things get fucked up, and in the last chapters Richard learns some awesome new ability which makes things right again. Repeat ad nauseautum.
Seems like a standard trilogy (or heck, a regular hollywood movie) .... part one 1: introduction , part 2: everyting gets fucked up , part 3: hero saves the world. If you knew in chapter 2 how things would end / be solved, etc why would you continue reading? I did not get the impression that most books used the deus ex machina principle to set things right. But heck perhaps I was too much bussy with enjoying the read that I didn't stop to inspect every single flaw in the book.
I have to admit that Richards inability to master his own magic abilities but is still able to manifest them at the right time does deus ex machina situations. Though I am a bit confused to your reference in the first book. Does he not kill Darken Rahl by making him open the wrong box of orden ... how does that call for deus ex machina?
In short : I would not call them "ok" :D
Good thing that you do not look at the serie Dexter the same way you look at these books. You would find too many flaws and inconsitencies to enjoy yourself again ;)
Aah, feels good to rant a bit. First 2-3 books are still ok reads though, don't get me wrong :) There's infinitely more boring fantasy dreck out there.
It DOES feel good to rant a bit :)
Oh excuse me if he didn't use a deus ex machina in the first book or if Richard and Kahlan were actually together in that Chimes book. The problem is that after reading 7 of them the sense of "waitaminutedidntireadthisbefore?" gets so overhwelming that it's getting increasingly hard to keep them apart.
And you know what I did actually read 7 of them and that's my major problem with this Goodkind guy. I feel thoroughly cheated by him.
He got me absorbed in an intereresting story for a couple books and a genuinely good romance, even if it's based on the old "will they overcome their hurdles and end up together" adagium that has een the lifeline of many sitcoms. There are good characters in there, mainly Zed and that lovable creature that mispronounces shit for comic effect. Those were cool reads.
And then he fucking blew it by starting to repeat himself, crafting uninspired or absent good main storylines and instead loose himself in meandering sidestories, only to make them come together in contrived endings with some sort of resolution based upon Richard being awesome. And as a reader you grow increasingly depressed and stubbornly read on in the hopes it will get better and because you think "fuck it, I've already invested 3000 pages in these characters so I will see it through to the end".
Even after Terry goes "BWLEEEEEURGGHGK!!" and vomits some 500 pages of political rightwing hysteria over you I picked up the next book in the series thinking "It can't get any worse". And it didn't, but it was just fucking MEDIOCRE and BANAL. And so I feel cheated by the writer. He promised me a worthy fantasy series by writing good first books, and then he just started phoning it in and grabbing cash. MAybe books 8 and on are better but I just won't do it. He lost me.
Oh, and Ms Rand gets debated a lot on a particular webdev forum I frequent, mainly in the interest of us politics, so I was familiar with her particular brand of paranoid vitriol.
Oh excuse me if he didn't use a deus ex machina in the first book or if Richard and Kahlan were actually together in that Chimes book. The problem is that after reading 7 of them the sense of "waitaminutedidntireadthisbefore?" gets so overhwelming that it's getting increasingly hard to keep them apart.
And you know what I did actually read 7 of them and that's my major problem with this Goodkind guy. I feel thoroughly cheated by him.
He got me absorbed in an intereresting story for a couple books and a genuinely good romance, even if it's based on the old "will they overcome their hurdles and end up together" adagium that has een the lifeline of many sitcoms. There are good characters in there, mainly Zed and that lovable creature that mispronounces shit for comic effect. Those were cool reads.
And then he fucking blew it by starting to repeat himself, crafting uninspired or absent good main storylines and instead loose himself in meandering sidestories, only to make them come together in contrived endings with some sort of resolution based upon Richard being awesome. And as a reader you grow increasingly depressed and stubbornly read on in the hopes it will get better and because you think "fuck it, I've already invested 3000 pages in these characters so I will see it through to the end".
Even after Terry goes "BWLEEEEEURGGHGK!!" and vomits some 500 pages of political rightwing hysteria over you I picked up the next book in the series thinking "It can't get any worse". And it didn't, but it was just fucking MEDIOCRE and BANAL. And so I feel cheated by the writer. He promised me a worthy fantasy series by writing good first books, and then he just started phoning it in and grabbing cash. MAybe books 8 and on are better but I just won't do it. He lost me.
Oh, and Ms Rand gets debated a lot on a particular webdev forum I frequent, mainly in the interest of us politics, so I was familiar with her particular brand of paranoid vitriol.
Well if you don't know the facts then don't state them like that. I don't mind a rant but I do mind when people don't have the facts straight. Then it feels more like ranting for the purpose of ranting or some web-copy action.
If you continue reading something because you areadly read "so much" ... then (in my opinion) you read for the wrong reason (did that with the Dune series after each book things get worse). Though in this case I can imagine you feel cheated. Last three books are a lot better then the 5 that came before. If you want to give an equitable opinion on the series as a whole you will have to finish all books. Else you can only comment on a part of it.
To give a metafor:
"The startwars trilogy suck! I watched one, which was ok but the second was really bad .... didn't watch three - I feel cheated!"
Personally I would thing the series would be perfect if he skipped book 4-8 and just done the first 3 and last 3. But you should have been warned in advance. If a write creates so many books about just one story line you either get a lot of small side stories and have to repeat yourself a 1000 times to get keep the less intellectual public on track (Goodkind's Sword of Truth) or you have to create such divirse storylines and characters that it is hard to keep track what is happening with whom and how they relate to eachother (Jordan's Wheel of Time).
Better to do it like Robin Hobb .... Three or four books in a series max. Works like a charm.
Oh don't get me started on Robert Jordan. I bought the first 3 books on a whim, and read the first and half of the second. As fantasy goes, could he have made it any more boring and generic ?
Re Goodkind : if I have to read the entire series to form an opinion I'll have to decline on grounds of there being about 300 books higher on my to-read list.
I believe however we can agree that Pizza should just stick to book 1 to 3 and then 7-8-9 if he didn't decide to do something more engaging like staring at the ceiling for a bit halfway through book 3 ?
[QUOTE=Feday;12346]Oh don't get me started on Robert Jordan.[QUOTE]
rofl :D
I'll read Faith of the Fallen again before I open up another Robert Jordan.
Oh don't get me started on Robert Jordan. I bought the first 3 books on a whim, and read the first and half of the second. As fantasy goes, could he have made it any more boring and generic ?
Re Goodkind : if I have to read the entire series to form an opinion I'll have to decline on grounds of there being about 300 books higher on my to-read list.
I believe however we can agree that Pizza should just stick to book 1 to 3 and then 7-8-9 if he didn't decide to do something more engaging like staring at the ceiling for a bit halfway through book 3 ?
Well I don't say you have to read anything .... especially not to form an opinion. I am saying that if you want to have a well founded opinion about a series as a whole you need to read everything. If not your opinion will be based soley on the part you experienced which is not complete. In our discussion we can only discuss part 1-7 and have to disregard parts 8-11. The last four pieces may be literary masterpieces (not really) but since you did not read them your opinion will be biased. That aside I can appreciate that you got a different priority list on what to read. Though what puzzles me in this whole discussion is that you managed to read 7 parts of a series, well over 4000 pages while you only enjoyed the first 1000 pages. What on earth possessed you to keep on reading, it just does not make any sense.
I think we can agree that no matter how hard we rant, pizza should read any series he wants for as long as he enjoys it en when he gets bored half way through a book he should burn it and grace us with his precense in wow :).
Like I wrote, that's why mentioning Goodkind has me frothing at the mouth. I kept on reading in vain.
You are just a masochist at heart!
Don't say Kahlan!!! I am in love with that woman!!!
vBulletin® v3.8.4, Copyright ©2000-2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.